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MemberJune 22, 2025 at 7:11 pm in reply to: GCA Forums News-Weekend Edition from June 15 through June 22 2025Chicago’s City Council has passed a controversial ordinance giving police the power to impose temporary “snap” curfews in response to large or violent gatherings, especially downtown. Despite strong objections from Mayor Brandon Johnson and concerns over fairness, the measure narrowly passed and could soon be law.
Chicago’s “Snap Curfew” Ordinance
On June 18, 2025, the City Council in Chicago squeaked a 27-to-22 vote that shocked almost every neighborhood block.
- The new rule lets Police Superintendent Larry Snelling declare a citywide night curfew with as little warning as you’re likely to hear at the last bell of school.
- Mayor Brandon Johnson wasted no time.
- Two days later, he slapped on the city’s first veto since 2006 and sent the measure back, reminding everyone that the pen could still beat a patrol car.
So What, Exactly, Is a “Teen Takeover”?
- A teen takeover kicks off when hundreds of high schoolers decide, often over Instagram or Snapchat, to meet in a single plaza.
- One minute, the crowd is sharing memes.
- Next, broken glass and sirens sing the same tune.
- Downtown spots such as the Loop and Streeterville have become pop-up venues.
- This is because trains, phones, and youthful curiosity all line up in the same direction.
Notable Incidents in March 2025
- In March 2025, gunfire jolted the normally peaceful Streeterville shoreline.
- A 46-year-old woman visiting from the East Coast felt a bullet rip through her arm while teens swarmed the block.
- Just days later, another melee put a 15-year-old boy in the hospital with only a grazing wound, yet that was still enough to scare the daylights out of his family.
- Police files labeled both gatherings as takeover events.
- This kind of event pops up on social media and draws hundreds in hours.
- Community leaders noted that the spring spike usually paves the way for an even wilder summer, so the clock ran out.
Existing Curfew Laws
- Chicago minors already have a 10 p.m. bedtime set in law.
- Anyone under 17 caught roaming later risks a chat with the cops and a long ride home.
- That rule sits on the books, yet elected leaders kept hearing that one-size-fits-all hardly stops mobs from showing up downtown or near the lake.
Legislative Journey
- Alderman Brian Hopkins decided a tighter, on-the-spot rule might do the trick.
- He flipped his earlier downtown-only proposal and called it a “snap curfew.”
- Officers could lock down any block where 20 or more youth threatened safety.
- The rollout hit potholes almost immediately.
- A May 21 procedural snag is due partly to push-back from colleagues like Jason Ervin and Andre Vasquez.
- I held it up long enough to let tempers cool, but not the headlines.
- After several rewrites and late-night bargaining sessions, the City Council finally passed the measure, only to watch the mayor vow a veto before the ink dried.
- Politicians were used to drama, yet even they admitted this back-and-forth sounded more like a summer blockbuster than ordinary civic housekeeping.
- Only time would tell if the curfew itself showed up in practice.
- On May 20, 2025, the Public Safety Committee voted 10-7 to proceed with the snap-curfew plan.
- A few days later, the full City Council approved the idea.
- After some back-and-forth, the final draft stripped a clause that would have forced the deputy mayor for community safety to sign off.
- Now, Superintendent Larry Snelling can act independently, so long as he consults with the mayor first.
What the Rule Says: Who Decides?
The policy gives Police Superintendent Snelling the power to set a three-hour curfew whenever he suspects a crowd of 20 or more teens might cause serious harm or damage.
How Much Warning?
Officers must shout a heads-up at least 30 minutes before the clock starts ticking. Kids who stick around risk a ticket, though nobody is talking about arresting every last one of them.
What Tips The Scale?
Curfews could be triggered by wild social-media threads, printed flyers seen in the neighborhood, or past outbreaks traced to the same names.
How long will it last?
- Each order lasts three hours or until Chicago’s regular 10 p.m. rule kicks in, whichever comes first.
- If trouble keeps bubbling, the clock can be reset.
- City leaders swear the tool is meant to get ahead of violence instead of mopping up afterward.
- Supporters of the snap curfew insist it could cut down on out-of-control gatherings and keep parks feeling safer during long summer nights.
- The idea is simple in their telling: send people home, and the chaos drifts away.
Mayor Johnson’s Veto and Rationale: Veto Announcement
- On June 20, 2025, Mayor Brandon Johnson dropped a bombshell.
- He promised to veto the curfew plan, making him the first mayor since Richard M. Daley to swing that axe.
- Watchdog websites and beat reporters lined up the link between his name and the date.
- The footage almost looked like the edge-of-your-seat moments you see on election-night TV.
- His veto letter pointed away from flash rules and toward steady community work.
- Johnson talked about lining up nonprofit mentors, business cash for summer jobs, safe hangouts, and mental health care that answers the phone.
Reasons for Opposition: Constitutional Concerns
- Johnson, the ACLU of Illinois, and even some worried law professors smell a lawsuit brewing.
- Giving teens only 30 minutes to bolt home feels like tossing them a bedtime candle at midnight.
- Racial Bias Opponents frame the timing as a spotlight aimed squarely at Black and Brown youth.
- Ald. Jason Ervin and Ald. Angela Clay dropped phrases like Jim Crow-era legislation when reporters pressed them, and the Chicago Teachers Union chimed in with the same comparison.
Ineffectiveness
- The mayor and several progressive council members say arresting kids for curfew breaks does nothing about pocketbook wounds or empty after-school hours.
- Fix the job market, noon basketball, and walk-in therapy first, they argue; the rest is just noise.
- A summer program that created 1,000 temporary jobs is winning praise, with advocates claiming it helped reduce crime.
- Community advocates insist that the best long-term fix is money for neighborhood projects.
Lack of Police Support
- Superintendent Larry Snelling told a federal judge on June 12, 2025, that he never asked for the proposed 30-minute curfew and would never use it.
- He pointed to fairness for kids already on the street when the clock ticks down.
- This statement directly contradicted earlier remarks in which he described the curfew as a useful policy tool.
Political Context
- Mayor Brandon Johnson promised that a veto would be part of a bigger dance between his progressive dreams and a City Council that would no longer roll over.
- Past councils accepted almost anything the mayor wanted.
- The final vote was 27-22, seven votes shy of the 34 needed to break the mayor’s veto.
- Unless a handful of undecided alderpeople switch sides, the curfew is dead in the water.
Arguments For and Against the Ordinance: Arguments in Favor
- Proponents like Ald. Brian Hopkins and Ald. Monique Scott insists the curfew is a precise weapon, not a blunt club, against violent pop-up mobs.
- They recall the March 2025 shootings and say something has to change.
- Supporters also claim the rule lets cops act on social media tips before chaos erupts.
- A text thread about a fight turning into a shootout could lose its power if officers wait another hour.
- Alderman Monique Scott, a Black mother and public official, is backing the new short-notice curfew.
- She keeps her 17-year-old daughter out of downtown after dark because, in her words, the streets don’t feel safe. Scott is on the record saying something has to change.
- Constitutional Backers like Alderman Bill Conway claim the rule is settled law and insist it can stand up to any court challenge.
- Chief of Patrol Jon Hein has promised officers they will first shout dispersal warnings before anyone is pulled into the curfew dragnet.
- News links: ABC 7, Sun-Times, Public Safety Committee.
Citywide Reach
- The latest draft extends beyond the Loop and includes every Chicago neighborhood.
- Sponsors say that makes it fairer, not just a tool for the tourist district.
- See the South Side Weekly report for details.
- Arguments Against: The backlash is loud.
- Mayor Brandon Johnson, the ACLU, the Chicago Teachers Union, and dozens of youth organizers all want the plan shelved.
- Civil Liberties Critics say giving folks a 30-minute heads up is a disaster waiting to happen.
- Attorney Sheila Bedi warns a hurried sweep could land the city in costly lawsuits.
- Fox 32 and Sun-Times both quote her on that point.
- Racial Profiling Community leaders like Alderman Jeanette Taylor fear Black and Brown teens will be the first caught in the net.
- Alderman Jason Ervin even likened the curfew to old rules that banned Black residents from downtown after sundown.
- The Washington Times and The Tribe have those quotes.
- Root Causes Ignored Opponents keep saying a curfew is just a Band-Aid.
- They argue Chicago needs more jobs, safer hangout spots, and real mental health support, not another clock that punishes young people for being outside.
- Youth advocate Arianna Brandt recently pointed out that many teenagers drift to downtown Chicago because their neighborhoods have few hangout spots.
- The bored crowd, she warned, was not the real problem.
- It was the void of positive things to do.
- Some officials decided to plug that boredom with a late-night ordinance that would let the police chief close the Loop to minors on short notice.
- Critics instead called it a recipe for extra headaches, not extra safety.
- When the city announced the plan, many neighbors noticed the wording, which gave Chief Snelling the final say.
- It quietly stripped away the deputy mayor’s veto power.
- Legal watchers immediately raised red flags about too much authority settling in one pair of hands.
- Organizers such as Romya Simone, working with groups like Communities United and GoodKids Mad City, accused the city of punishing kids for simply gathering.
- They said the real answer was parks, jobs, and community centers, not another name for adult curfews.
Public and Political Reaction
- On June 18, protestors, clergy, and law professors stood outside City Hall denouncing the draft as both racist and unconstitutional.
- Even the Jewish Council on Urban Affairs lent its voice to the growing chorus of “No” pleas.
- Social media painted a split picture. Ald. Raymond A. Lopez cheered the proposal as data-driven policing.
- At the same time, the Cook County Defender claimed Mayor Johnson saved young Chicagoans from yet another round of dangerous encounters.
- The vote revealed unusual fractures in the city council’s backrooms.
- Twenty-seven alderpeople, including a handful of moderate progressives, rallied behind the curfew.
- Yet, twenty-two mostly left-of-center members voted against it.
- Ald. Chris Taliaferro, a former police officer himself, insisted the measure was not about punishment but preventing disorder before it started.
- That argument fell flat with peers who felt the city was courting escalation rather than calming it.
- Mayor Brandon Johnson has promised to challenge the city council’s veto but insists he won’t bend to get the 34 votes needed for an override.
- The Chicago Teachers Union slammed the plan, comparing it to old Jim Crow rules.
- The sharp words highlighted just how deep the racial and ideological split is.
Potential Implications If the Veto Is Upheld
- The new rule never kicks in, and the 10 p.m. curfew remains.
- Mayor Brandon Johnson has been touting youth programs, saying they have finally put money where kids are.
- Skeptics shake their heads, saying free concerts won’t stop the chaos when thousands of teens flood downtown on a hot Saturday night.
- Hearing the veto warning loud and clear, council members smell a chance to flex their muscles.
- The usual team spirit looks shaky, and we may be watching the birth of a council that doesn’t just rubber-stamp.
If the Veto Gets Enough Votes
- A brushstroke majority could flip the script and make the curfew law effective ten days after June 18, and the clock wouldn’t wait for anyone.
- Delay orders are possible, yet legality is different from political will.
- During those ten days, police were handed a fresh stopwatch, which allowed them to clear parks by sundown if a crowd reached a magic threshold.
- Yards away, legal teams would already be filing paperwork.
Legal Headaches
- The ACLU has promised a courtroom tour, arguing that the ordinance violates the Bill of Rights.
- Lawsuits like that can chew through city cash faster than a summer storm.
Neighborhood Fallout
- Officers patrolling on extra wristwatches may end up pushing kids, especially in Black and Brown neighborhoods, further away instead of closer.
- Once trust is dented, fixing it takes longer than any nighttime rule.
Questionable Use
- Police Chief Larry Snelling admitted that he doubts the 30-minute cutoff would ever be applied.
- If the second-in-command files it under ‘risky,’ don’t be surprised if patrols ignore it, leaving everyone wondering why the law exists.
Why This Matters Now
- All this noise concerns more than clocks and whistles.
- It’s a flashpoint in Chicago’s long saga of crime solutions versus civil freedoms.
- Gun violence is down from its awful peaks, yet the fear that remains feels just as urgent.
- Youth organizers are frustrated that the city’s new downtown ordinance seems to spotlight one part of Chicago while ignoring violence in neighborhoods like Englewood and Austin.
- They say the unequal attention sends a clear message about whose safety matters.
Big Picture: Chicago, Iran, and Budget Pain
- Some folks first asked about U.S. airstrikes on Iran but searched for fresh news on the city’s snap-curfew plan.
- That subject change is telling yet aligns with a bigger, messier story.
Wallets Hurt When Oil Jumps
- Bombing campaigns often push crude prices sky-high.
- If Chicagoans suddenly pay five bucks a gallon, City Hall will see tax revenue shrink, and inflation will eat up what is left for youth programs. The mayor says he prefers to curtail curfews.
Knee-Jerk Security Squeeze
- Widening global conflict usually triggers louder calls for safety at home.
- Alderpersons who fear unrest may start backing extra surveillance cameras or 10 p.m. curfews, even if they once claimed to want reform.
Divided Public Mood
- The uproar over a local dusk-to-dawn order mirrors the split debates on Washington’s foreign moves.
- Activists still call for community-building fixes, while others cheer penalties.
- Both arguments wind up in the same emergency room waiting room.
- Only one set of blood stains is downtown, and the other is miles away.
- On June 18, 2025, the Chicago City Council pushed through the so-called snap-curfew plan.
- The rule would let police clear out large, rowdy teen groups before things turn ugly, as its backers claim.
- Days later, on June 20, Mayor Brandon Johnson slapped a veto on the desk.
- He worried the idea smelled like racial profiling and stomped on too many civil liberties.
- Since the alderperson lacks the votes to override him, the measure is probably done for now.
- Still, the fight laid bare some of the city’s uglier truths.
- Easing fears about street violence is important, but doing it while honoring kids’ basic rights proves tricky.
- Supporters cheer the curfew as a lifesaver; opponents shout that it puts handcuffs on a generation already short on jobs and hope.
- Whichever side you back, the fallout will ripple through the summer and shape Chicago police reforms for months.
If you want to chew over the legal fine print, hear how young people feel, or catch any override dramas, holler. You can also return to the economic bite from the Iran bombing if that topic is still fresh in your mind.
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In this video, Defense Attorney James White covers the recent update out of South Whitley, Indiana, where Officer Brian Schimmel has been fired following an excessive force allegation arising out of an arrest of a high school girl.
This coward cop is a perfect example of an egotistical narcissist lying coward who needs to pick and victimized an innocent high school student who has not done anything wrong. We need to get cop like these coward psychopath cops 👮♂️ off the street.
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Some cops are absolutely ignorant and should lose their qualified immunity.
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